of us which we do where we look at things from different angles, where we try to come up with the approach. but it's the larger team. sometimes both the president and i are pushing the people on our teams to think differently and more creatively. >> rose: you have said you'll never run for president again. >> yes, i said that. (laughs) >> rose: (laughs) any other things you've said that you'll never do again? >> oh, well, yes, i'm sure there are. at the moment i can't think of them. >> rose: thank you for this time. it's a pleasure to have this opportunity to see you. >> thanks, charlie. >> rose: from berlin, germany, a conversation with the secretary of state. this is, as we record this, november 9, 20 years after the wall came tearing down with momentous consequences as the secretary said, for europe, for russia, for the united states, and for the world. thank you for joining us. see you next time.